Public sentiment is highly polarized regarding the Iran-Israel conflict, with a significant inclination towards supporting Iran's right to defend itself amid rising tensions. While many express deep concerns over the potential for a broader conflict and criticize military actions from both sides, there is also a strong demand for peace and accountability. Notably, frustrations with perceived hypocrisy regarding nuclear capabilities and interventions by external powers, especially the U.S., feature prominently in the discussion.

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DeltaBot

Hmmm, this reads like rage bait but I’ll engage for the fun of it.

I think your idea of the US’s global power is quite misguided. The use of a tactical nuke, as you’ve mentioned in some of your replies, would be a horrendous miscalculation. 

The US military is by almost every metric- the most dominant force wielded by any group of humans ever. The problem is, the US doesn’t solely wield this power; the US is hugely bolstered by it’s relationships with other countries (allowing military bases in their nations, trading, enforcement of external foreign policy).

The large majority of the US’s allies, would no longer be US allies in the event of a preemptive nuclear strike. The opposite would happen- the world would see the US as tyrannical, and they would be correct.

Even in a US vs the World scenario, I believe the US would still actually have a chance in a vacuum, but unfortunately we don’t live in a vacuum. The US populace would bleed out America from the inside. We can look at how the world reacted to Israel’s operation in Gaza and easily deduce that a nuclear strike against another sovereign nation would be, in almost all cases, idiotic. 

I’m not sure how serious you’re being in your replies or your post. With all due respect, it reads as completely ignorant and naive. I’d recommend for you to focus less on military power on paper, but rather, consider whether the world as a whole truly likes US policy, or whether they simply tolerate it.

Hexsisboii

You frame your post like the world is a chessboard and the US can casually knock over pieces like Iran, Pakistan, and eventually parts of Russia, India, and China. But this isn’t chess. It’s fucking Jenga. Iran isn’t just another Middle Eastern country that can be bombed into submission. It’s a fortress built by nature, surrounded by mountains, deserts, and chokepoints that make any conventional invasion a logistical nightmare. Every invading force in history has struggled to hold it, and with modern terrain analysis and satellite intel, it’s even clearer now: no amount of airstrikes or special ops will overcome the sheer defensive advantages of the land itself. You are advocating for a military operation against a state that is not only dug in and armed to the teeth but one that has spent the last four decades preparing for this exact scenario.

What’s worse is your belief that because people hate the Iranian regime, they’ll let the US or Israel roll in without resistance. That’s naive. Iranians may despise their government, but they despise foreign invaders more. There is a deeply rooted national identity, and you would instantly unite reformists, hardliners, apolitical citizens, and even exiles in a massive, national, asymmetric response. You wouldn’t be liberating a people, you’d be triggering a deeply emotional, historical, and spiritual war of resistance. This wouldn’t be like Iraq or Afghanistan. It would be asymmetric warfare at a scale no American military planner has ever dealt with, drone swarms, cyberattacks, guerrilla ambushes in urban environments, coordinated proxy wars across the region, martyrdom missions, and mass mobilization across a population of 90 million. And that’s without mentioning the regional fallout. Hezbollah, the Houthis, Shia militias in Iraq, cells in Syria, Bahrain, possibly even Afghanistan, all of them would be unleashed, with Iranian intelligence and weapons behind them.

Your “water” argument is so absurd it borders on parody. Do you actually believe that the US could launch operations over the Volga, the Himalayas, the Yangtze, or Pearl River and face no consequences? That China, India, or Russia would just sit back and allow foreign drones or missiles to threaten their heartlands? These are nuclear powers. Any attempt to target their waterways from a “springboard” in Iran wouldn’t just be escalation, it would be suicide. You’re treating nuclear deterrence like it’s optional, as if the most heavily defended nations in the world will roll over and hand over control of their rivers. This isn’t just bad strategy. It’s insane.

Even if you somehow succeeded in occupying Iran, which you wouldn’t, you’d gain nothing. You wouldn’t pacify the population. You’d trigger a generational wave of resistance, attacks, and revenge. Iran is a civilization, not just a country, and it has a long memory. Occupying it won’t bring control. It will bring chaos that spreads through the region and lasts decades. You talk about avoiding the “moral mistakes” of Iraq and Afghanistan, but you haven’t learned anything from them. You’ve just stripped away the pretense and kept the arrogance. What you’re proposing isn’t realism. It’s ideological imperialism fueled by ignorance, and it would bring about exactly what you claim to be preventing: collapse, war, and the end of US global credibility. There is no victory in your vision, only fire, and you’re too intoxicated by power fantasies to see that you’re the one holding the match.

Unless you want another Vietnam on your hands, stay the fuck out of Iran.

Interesting-Sail1414

What exactly would “the defeat of Iran” look like?

What do you do with all the Iranians? The US can’t even keep the downtown of its own second biggest metro under control at the moment, what chance does it have with all of Iran and the rest of the Middle East? You’re just going to kill them all? And then what?

CBRChimpy

It would be an incorrect decision for “the West” but beneficial to Israel (which is usually how it goes). In the US, inner divisions might escalate past a boiling point and political destabilization would follow civil instability. 

The war in Vietnam was widely unpopular when it was shown on TV, sparking protests, so they took it off TV… the war in Iraq was only popular at first because 9/11 was widely shown on TV..  even though of course Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Now more than ever, the conflict in Gaza is as unpopular as it gets for Americans, especially the youth, across the left and right, manly because of widespread independent information on social media. Young Americans do not seem to be fans of Israel, and are very active in protesting the atrocities committed by Israel and calling out how much of our US tax dollars goes them and how many of our politicians may be blackmailed them.

And Israel is our main reason for not being friendly with Iran..

So if we start bombing Iran, a fully developed nation, and have to send American troops to fight and die in Iran, because of their beef with Israel, there will be unity across social media in detesting the US actions and it will boil into the streets making the pro-Palestine protests look like sewing circles. 

Americans do not want to see billions of our tax dollars going to fund a new war on behalf of a country that many people see as evil. This one would probably be the last straw.

SpeaktheTalk

Iran is a nation full of 90 million people who you are basically saying should assimilate to US rule or be genocided. It might be ideal if the US is planning on forceful world domination but imperialism like this has proven to never work and will only create hatred in the hearts of all those people towards the west meddling in their lives. This view is just inherently wrong based on moral grounds and honestly only makes sense if you see these people as subhuman. From this same perspective it makes sense for Iran to hurry up that nuclear deterrent to save itself or to attempt takeover of Israel in order to eliminate potential threats. None of which are a good resolution to this conflict

CollectionHeavy9281

Don’t say ‘the West’ when you really mean the US. You love bombing countries and turning your mess into the world's mess.  

Also, f*ck your take—go bomb Alabama or something and leave the rest of the world alone

LadySwire

Iran is the same size as the Iberian Peninsula, France, Germany combined, alongside a 1/2 of the county being mountain ranges, and the other 1/2 being a fucking desert (dasht lut). This is nearly twice as large at the total amount of territory the US invaded and four-five times as large as what we occupied after WWII and unlike then, we aren’t having the Soviets, British, Yugoslavians, and French on our sides. We will be totally alone. It took 3 Million US Troops to Invade and liberate Europe and 1.5 Million US soldiers to occupy Germany and Austria. By that alone, it will take easily over several Million more to occupy Iran (we currently have 1.32 Million) so hello Draft. 

And on top of that, on terrain that is on every metric, worse than what we faced in Europe, with exception of maybe the Balkans. And unlike the Germans, who had millions of their soldiers already dead in the Soviet Invasions by the time of D-day or the US invasion of Italy, Irans population is intact. 

Forget Iraq and Afghanistan, you’re dealing with a situation that is objectively worse than invading Europe in WWII. Please explain to me how the cost is not going to be absolutely fucking batshit crazy as far as casualties and military spending would go. 

edit - Balkans not Baltics

Front-Cancel5705

The Axis of resistance collapsed. Assad is gone, Hamas will never be allowed to recover, Hezbollah ended yup being totally toothless, and Iran essentially threw their allies to the wolves once they figured out there was nothing they could do to protect them. Combine that with Iran's internal economic and political problems and they are not a major concern now. We should ignore them, and focus on Ukraine and Taiwan.

Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho

“It seems the attack on Iran is finally imminent, this is great news for America.”

False premise. War with Iran is not “great news” — it’s a geopolitical powder keg. Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan; it has a strong military, strategic alliances, and a population of 88 million. War would not end quickly, nor cleanly, and would almost certainly embroil the U.S. in a multi-front, asymmetric quagmire.

“The long project in the Middle East is coming to fruition, with most independent states being decimated… Israel and the Gulf States remaining.”

If the goal is to reduce the Middle East to proxy-run husks, then the last 20 years were a colossal failure. Iraq is unstable, Afghanistan was handed back to the Taliban, Syria remains fragmented, and Iran — until this week — was growing stronger. The idea that the U.S. has been successfully shaping a pro-American Middle East is a delusion. What remains is resentful, unstable, volatile, and in many cases, more aligned with China or Russia than with Washington.

“The defeat of Iran would give the US immense power… a springboard to attack Russia and China.”

Iran isn’t a stepping stone to Eurasian conquest — it’s a trap. The terrain is mountainous and nearly ungovernable. The culture is fiercely nationalist, not just Islamic. Any U.S. occupation would face decades of insurgency, at levels that make Iraq and Afghanistan look manageable.

As for springboarding into Russia or China — that’s fantasy. Iran does not connect cleanly to critical Chinese or Russian infrastructure, and attempting to use it as a base for such operations would provoke nuclear escalation thresholds.

“This also makes Israel uncontestable… Turkey and Egypt should be disposed of.”

Turkey is a NATO member. Egypt receives U.S. military aid. Any move to “dispose” of them would cause NATO to fracture and ignite global condemnation — not to mention massive regional war. Israel’s position isn’t strengthened by surrounding chaos; it’s weakened by it, because it must now defend every inch of its border against rocket fire, cyberwarfare, and proxy insurgents.

“No more moralization. No democracy building. Just decimation and control.”

What you’re describing is imperialism without end, which is both logistically unsustainable and strategically short-sighted. Power that rests only on military force collapses the moment attention or resources are diverted. Ask the British Empire. Or the Soviets. Or Rome.

“The final and most important point is the water aspect… Iran and Pakistan allow a springboard into underbellies of India, China, Russia.”

Control of the Himalayan Plateau, Yangtze headwaters, and Volga River is not accomplished through force projection from Tehran. These are fortified national red zones of three nuclear-armed states. The idea that the U.S. could march north and seize water sources from inside China or Russia is not a strategic plan — it’s a geopolitical hallucination.

“The costs of short-term war are offset by long-term benefits…”

History doesn’t support this. Iraq cost over $2 trillion, thousands of lives, and delivered no clear benefit. Afghanistan collapsed the moment U.S. troops left. Meanwhile, China rose, BRICS strengthened, and the U.S. faces internal political division and debt levels approaching unsustainability.

War drains empires more than it strengthens them. Especially when the enemy is decentralized, spread out, and has global partners.

TLDR: Why Your Argument Fails
	1.	Strategic Overestimation: You assume a level of U.S. dominance that no longer exists in a multipolar world.
	2.	Logistical Ignorance: You disregard terrain, population resistance, and long-term costs of occupation.
	3.	Geopolitical Naïveté: You underestimate the response of China, Russia, Turkey, Pakistan — all nuclear or near-nuclear states.
	4.	Historical Amnesia: You forget the consequences of the last 20 years of war: trillions lost, credibility eroded, enemies strengthened.
	5.	Internal Decay: You assume the U.S. has infinite political will and economic strength. It doesn’t. Wars like this accelerate imperial decline, not prevent it.

griffibo

Are you arguing for a prolonged military occupation of Iran by the US? Because otherwise I don’t get the references to a springboard. 

Also, you understand such an attack would be grossly illegal right? This seems like the kind of act that would ultimately degrade the last several decades of soft power the US has been building both regionally and globally.

FerdinandTheGiant

Way off. If America gets involved in another quagmire it won't work in our favor. Since the end of world war two our policing of other countries and intervention has backfired 100% of the time. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan all mistakes. Leave the fighters to their own idiocy, our taking a side and arming that side is a waste of resources and life and won't work in our favor. 

MechanicHead3340

First, Israel has interests in defeating Iran.  The United States does not. The status quo is prefect acceptable to the US, since the only real interest is oil.  Attacking Iran would hugely disrupt that, sending oil prices spring and probably cratering the US economy.   

Second, what you’re describing is occupying Iran, which is a far larger country than Afghanistan and Iraq put together.   It would be an outright catastrophe.   There is zero chance the United States has the capability to pull that off


Also, we don’t need Iran to attack China, Since Taiwan, Korea and Japan are all allies, and why would we want to attack China?  That’s insanity. As for Russia, we are part of NATO with a very long border with Russia should the US need a staging ground.   Iran doesn’t border either directly.

cairnrock1

What an ignorant and poorly thought out idea.

You actually want to encourage war with Russia and China? Why? The US should absolutely not do that.

This is the very reason why we would be better off destroying Israel than Iran.

Israel is behind every war we have ever had in the Middle East. They take billions of dollars from us as well as our military supplies all while manipulating and interfering with our government through Al sorts of means including pedo file sex black mail rings (Epstein Island) and AIPAC the only foreign lobbying group allowed to not have to register as a foreign lobby.

Meanwhile, they stole nuclear weapons from the US (Apollo Affair) following in the footsteps of steps of “Rekesh” where they stole weapons from WW2 to send to their Zionist endeavors in British Palestine where they carried out terrorist attacks like the King David Hotel Bombing and Operation Cast Thy Bread. 

They have been trying to involve Us military in the Middle East for ever by attacking US citizens and blaming it on others Lavon Affair (bomb use citizens in Egypt and blame it on the Muslim brotherhood), FLLF Bombings (a series of car bombings in Lebanon that targeted the US ambassador there), the attack on the USS Liberty (which they tried to say was Egypt)…. And lots of evidence they were behind 9/11 (but that’s way to deep to get into here)

Advanced_Explorer980

I thought the reason you guys wanted Trump elected was to avoid wars. Not start them. .

weedywet

You say that it will eliminate any form of panIslamism. But it would inevitably mean further support of the Islamist regime in Syria to put pressure on western Iraq and the Islamists in Yemen to put pressure on the Houthis.

It makes me wonder if it will create Bin Ladenite-like groups on the Shi'ite side that could attack the US or its nerve endings. The crux for them will be the funding. Intelligence is unnecessary because there's so many open targets.

This possibility could be a reason to further crackdown on immigration into the US. They could send in dummy groups as bait to be captured intentionally to cause internal conflict. This could escalate the war with cartels. This means a ground war on our southern border with head chopper cartels while supporting head chopper terrorist groups abroad.

Combine these with our already crippling debt problems.

It would be relatively easily to fund and support groups in many locations across the globe that would distribute military resources elsewhere and bog the US down into quagmires. Iran would be very smart to fund these kinds of endeavors. They could play the long game and bankrupt the US, as was Bin Laden's goal.

Photon6626

&gt; you'll have to show how the cost may be higher than the gains

You can take a pretty good look at Iran's terrain and military capabilities and get a pretty good idea what an invasion would look like: a complete disaster for any invading Army. US already struggled with Afghanistan and struggles to do anything significant against the Houthis. What makes you think that they'll fare well against a country with an Military Industrial Complex on it's own?

In addition, Iran's primary strategic action in case of a war by West, has been to block/mine the Persian Gulf and to strike at every single oil facility in the Middle East, which they are largely capable of. They'd only need to block the Gulf and strike at enough facilities to completely and utterly cripple global oil supply and almost certainly crash the global economy, including Israel's, who depends on oil shipments from Azerbaijan.

Thirdly, consider the fact that no one is lying when they say Iran is simply weeks away from developing ICBMs: Nuclear Weapons are not too complicated machines, Pakistan built them easily themselves when they were greatly impoverished. In case of a full on US invasion, Iran can easily develop nuclear weapons within a couple of weeks, so unless US immediately flattens all of Iran (very unlikely to happen) then the situation will immediately escalate to full on nuclear war between Iran and Israel.

Draghalys

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"Russia, which was decimated in Ukraine" that only, shows the magnitude of delusion and naiveness in your perception of geopolitical matters. 

Do you think that the three majorly threatened states in your scenario (that two of them happen to be the largest armies and the other have the largest nuclear arsenal), will sit and watch the US taking control of Iran? How ignorant!... 

This would be exactly the excuse that BRICS needs to engage without holding back. This would be the end of the US. Good luck with that and good luck to the whole planet!...

Tasosu

You want to attack Iran, and rule over Iran, in order to attack Russia, China, and Pakistan. Why not just declare war on the entire world while you're at it?

There is a much greater need for support within the country. Diverting resources to attacking another country, for the purpose of subsequent attacks against other countries... 


... the US seems to be the real threat here, with this scenario.

WippitGuud

If you're asking yourself is this person last post  more or less a vieled argument to doing a genocide via nuke in Muslim majority countries to destroy islam you'd be right probably not much point arguing with them. It either bait or their a nut.

Foxhound97_

I don't believe the US can win a conflict with the Chinese that easily. Russia, probably, but given that the current administration seems extremely reluctant to take any direct action against Russia, that seems unlikely to occur. 

Can you demonstrate why, if we're ignoring moral/ethical restraints (which we shouldn't do, but just for the sake of argument), you believe a fight against China would be successful? I'm not suggesting the PLA is superior necessarily but I don't think the American public would stomach a war against China for as long as it would take and especially with the number of casualties they'd be likely to suffer.

tbcwpg

Good for israel maybe, but for the US? We benefit nothing from the region since Israel's wars are piling up and the US is funding them all. 

Meanwhile, China and to a lesser extent, Russia, can just sit back and watch as the US pours billions down the drain on their 77 year passion project while they expand their GDP.

There's a reason Trump is trying to stop them from attacking, but as with past presidents, Neytanyahu knows the US will find their war plans no matter what.

Videogamesarereel

After occupying Afghanistan for 20 years, they were driven out by a group of guerrillas armed with AK-47s and wearing flip-flops, yet they still harbour delusions of occupying Iran and even confronting China and Russia.

SnooStories8432

Are you guys mentally well? Why would this be a good thing

Virgo9721

Do you not realize how absolutely psychotic this is?

Lev_Davidovich

Then all their refugees will be spread all over the west and dismantle the west from the inside. And they'll be very angry.

spillirks

That’s exactly what you people said on Iraq.

AliMans05

Me an iranian I am here say that your view is absolutely right. I am living in Tehran and I saw and heard missiles all night but when we hear Israel is killing regime generals and atomic scientists we love it and we are hopeful that this may lead to regime change , we are asking ourselves why aren't they shooting the khamenei or SedaSima(national broadcasting channel propaganda) we love it just hope they do it with the least number of civilian casualties

Global_Assistance750

Attacking Iran is the correct decision for who? No doubt you have counted the endless terrorism that will result from this action in your calculation and who knows how many innocent lives will be lost as a result of this action all around the world, but that’s fine.

Ornery-Ticket834

What is correct about this attack? 
Destabilizing an entire country for the sake of military strategy when there isn’t a risk of war? 
How about all the people? 
War without any security over the condemned people of the country is outright evil when there is no imminent risk of war. 
OP needs to realize that the Iranian government is a terrorist group that is primarily harming the Iranian people. Any “solution” would have to consider what will happen to the people of the nation and the preservation of their culture, otherwise you are thinking like an ancient tribesman with nothing but bloodshed on your mind.

Timely_Reveal1206

As just about everyone else has already stated, this presents MANY ethical/moral/legal problems. However, even looking at this from a purely pragmatic point of view you are still very wrong. 

Taking out Iran would likely destabilize the middle east, and the last few times this happened, it didn't turn out well for the West (Arab spring, Iranian revolution, etc). 

The most likely beneficiary of the type of conflict you so eagerly advocate for would not be America or Israel, but Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are Iran's biggest rival for control and influence over the Muslim world. Moreover, Saudi Arabia and Iran are the chief nations in the Sunni/Shia divide. The Saudis and Iran are such bitter rivals that the Saudis have approved of Arab nations normalizing relations with Israel and have even formed an alliance with Israel for the sole purpose of opposing Iran.

Taking out Iran would not only remove any reason for Arab nations to normalize relations with Israel, it would also place Saudi Arabia in a position of undisputed power and influence  throughout the Muslim world. This would likely lead to an almost entirely united front against Israel. And that is without considering the damage it would do to our soft power, and how it galvanize Muslim opinion against the West. Even when the US invaded Iraq to protect Kuwait, the US was seen as the bullying adventurist by the Muslim world.

You have a child's idea of international relations. This is not HoI4. Going to war with Iran would result in tens or hundreds of thousands of pointless deaths and would primarily serve to benefit our enemies.

fb00ne

'Freeing Iran from Islam' might have the exact opposite effect you are after.


Iran has always been a regional power, often more than that.   Holding them back is a corrupt Islamic govt.  Remove that they return to the dominant power in the region.


Look at Russia, 3 different govts over the last 100 yrs, always returns to the same nasty expansionist ways. 

Rude_Egg_6204

What in WW3 is this post?

Iran has a massive drone force. 

You see how Russia is getting slaughtered in Ukraine, that's what would happen to USA/Israel forces.

whater39

Iran is not Syria Iran is like no other countries in Middle East. Iranian people want their country and their rights back.they want Pahlavi their own identity. Not terrorist and fucking mullahs who are not related to our civilization to our culture to our beautiful country. And the ones who brought them should help to remove them.not only for sake of Iran but also for the world

Unique-Strategy-9572

Why would the US have a goal to control the Middle East when we have our own large successful country to control?

indifferentunicorn

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SnooHedgehogs1029

Israel doesn't have to strike Iran then maybe Iran wouldn't retaliate. WORLD PEACE ✌️

AlextheLion02

You assume the Iranian government will be defeated. I don't think it will. And certainly it wouldn't be defeated easily. Iran is a highly mountainous country with an enormous military and decades of propaganda against the invaders you are discussing. A totally unprovoked invasion is going to lead to a whole-of-country level of resistance that will make conquest virtually impossible. 




Simply getting US soldiers over the mountains to Tehran would be a massive and bloody challenge with constant irregular attacks in the rear. And forget trying to take a city of that size with like a paratrooper unit. You'll get all your soldiers killed that way. (See the Russian VDV trying that in Kyiv a few years ago and getting entire units wiped out). 


A war to conquer a huge country like Iran, with absolutely no pretext that anyone in Iran gives a shit about is going to be a bloody quagmire in the mountains.


You say not being bound by moral constraints, so let's say you're willing to do something straight up genocidal like nuking Tehran. That will be a big blow to the central government for sure, but it will also irredeemably make you hated by every person who remains alive there. You will be in guerrilla warfare forever. 

huadpe

It is such a strange political fantasy. Iran is currently just a leadership that the people hate. Topple the regime and you will have a modern, educated and progressive country.

One-Strength-1978

I'm fascinated by the idea of direct administration of Iran as a colony without any democracy, nation building, or coalitions. Insurgents would love it. The cost of Iraq and Afghanistan would be multiplied beyond belief.

I'm guessing you're under 25.

ekpyroticflow

Tsk tsk, its really easy for those who aren't there to say they want to attack.

Some of us prefer to have chill deployments!

T-34Panzer

This is Bibi getting the US into another Mideast war.  They need to distract from the bloodlust in Gaza.  With friends like Israel who needs enemies.

No-Measurement4639

Here’s the thing, being prison boss is great, until you start to lose and then everyone is waiting to put the boot in

Major_Bad_thoughts

Right OP...tell us...what imminent threat is Israel defending right now... Go on...

Jungloveshismum

This is repugnant. Who is this person and how can they be in the same planet as us? This has to be a bot?

Disastrous-Crow-1634

Discounting the very real deterrence Iran has vs such an existential attack. Would destroy the works economy for several months/years.

Puzzleheaded-End3692

This time IRAN will do the Libya style to MS BIBI. If they provoke, dont complain about ANTI SEMI etc. 

Radiant_Golf_4221

A preemptive strike by Israel is a violation of international law. The Japanese government strongly condemns Israel's actions.

satousuzuki

I feel this too, literally no reason to have another rabid dictatorship to have nukes. My only question is, why didn't they do it years ago

KrakenBitesYourAss

How is Israel getting funds to sustain the wars and economy ? Especially noting, Gaza conflict running  in parallel..

Familiar_Location_18

But why, really? What’s so vital about preserving a world under US hegemony? Is it because Americans are the perfect leaders? Because the world is somehow more peaceful under their watch? Or is it simply because the US economy can’t function anymore unless it’s at war? So, who is next after Iran, Russia, China, and Pakistan are gone? 

And even if they wanted to, do they have the resources to fight a long war? Are ordinary Americans, already stretched thin, ready to sacrifice even more for a war that won’t benefit them? There’s an entire generation turning to drugs just to escape the harsh reality of their economy and society, even when they know it’s killing them.

How much longer can the US expect its NATO allies to commit time, money, and lives to causes that mostly serve elite interests and mega-corporations? Why would they keep doing that?

If the US insists on dragging the world into chaos, does it think the world will cheer it on? Or will other nations finally come together and decide that letting one country fall is better than everyone burning together?

What amazes me most is the sheer arrogance. The American elite are always quick to do unto others what they would never accept being done to themselves.

ZoziBG

Nope.  This isn't America's war to fight.  If Israel wants to bomb Iran they should do it with their own troops and money.

Pristine-Ant-464

Maybe Trump shouldn't have incompetently broken the deal.

Kakamile

I'm hoping you were born after 2003, because if you weren't I don't know where you've been. Remember Iraq and Afghanistan those little disasters that cost 7 trillion dollars, accomplished nothing and killed millions of people. Those were against tiny militaries with very little offensive capabilities. Iran is Afghanistan but with an actual military force with missiles and drones that can target things like the strait of hormuz and block 30% of the worlds oil traffic. Raising gas prices from the current 67$ a barrel to $350 a barrel. Or they could attack Saudi Oil facilities, or they could simply saturate Israel with missiles, the systems work but if there are 5 missiles and 4 interceptors even if the 4 have perfect accuracy one is going to hit. There will be zero chance the Us will be able to actually occupy Iran so you will have stirred up a hornets nest, unleashed a bombing war that will destroy billions of dollars of industry and cost tens of thousands of lives for nothing, its not 1935, any country that wants a nuclear program can get one. Its why North Korea a country with no electricity has a nuclear weapons program. Iran doesn't have weapons because its using it as a political bargaining chip not because it can't make them regardless of what the US does to their facilities.

 Israel isn't shackled by any moral constraints and it can't take over gaza a flat strip of land that they completely control, you think the US is going to going to defeat a force which has been preparing for this war for 60 years in one of the harshest terrains on earth good luck

Km15u

U.S. couldn’t defeat the Houthis in Yemen. You think Iran is easier?

cuteanimallady

The US really is a country full of dumbfucks

Furisco

Well, when Iran attacks you back and your soldiers come back in coffins, don't cry because you asked for this. Absolutely insane warmongers! Could not defeat the Houthis, an Iranian proxy, and you are going to defeat Iran ?

ThickSeesaw8529

And now Israel just bombed Iran even when Trump told them not to before the upcoming talks.


You Hasbarabots really are fucking awful with this PR thing huh. 

cannibalgentleman

Lolllllllllll
Iran really thought it did something? 😭

You launched 400+ ballistic missiles and drones like it was some Marvel-level revenge plot — and got clowned so hard. Almost all of it got intercepted. A few landed, tragically killed 3 civilians,  and that’s what you call a “response”? That’s not retaliation , that’s fireworks on easy mode 🎆🎆

Meanwhile, Israel erased your pride in one night:
	
Strikes on Natanz, Isfahan, Fordow, Tehran — boom.
Over 330 guided munitions in under 6 hours. 
Senior IRGC commanders? Gone. Salami, Bagheri, Hajizadeh, Rashid — gone.
Nuclear scientists? Vaped.
Airspace? Controlled.
You? Still tweeting from bunkers 🫢

Here’s the part that burns most 🔥:
Israel didn’t just hit hard , it hit smart. Every radar blind spot, every bunker, every command node , gone. You tried flexing and ended up bleeding prestige, leadership, and infrastructure. This wasn’t war , this was a tutorial in humiliation🤣 📉

Read a damn timeline. You start wars, reject peace, cry genocide, and then rage when the world doesn’t buy your victim cosplay. You’re not resisting ,you’re glitching through history with bad PR and worse aim.

So yeah, keep screaming into Reddit. Meanwhile, Israel’s flying home , mission complete 😎💅

Dismal_Army_8355

This is not Civ V little bro. The US could barely hold onto Iraq and lost Afghanistan. Prolonged military occupation is extremely difficult, much more so than defeating one in open battles. Look at Algeria or Vietnam or Boer Wars or literally any of the numerous historical examples. And who is gonna pay for all of these military actions? The War on Terror cost 10 trillion just to fight third-tier powers. Do you think the US public is gonna fund and bear the human costs of a full scale invasion of multiple countries? Anything short of a quick victory and withdrawal and the opposing party will run an anti-war candidate in the next election and boot you out.

Again, geopolitics is hard and complex, and probably much more so than your oversimplified views.

BitFickle62

We should do nothing but sell weapons to Israel at full price.

Lawineer

Why would the US want this?

- Colonialism ended because it was deeply unprofitable and unpopular. This hasn't changed. Attempting to colonize the middle east will not yield any benefits compared to the immense cost

- Attacking any of the other nations listed is undesirable if at all avoidable as it would likely lead to a nuclear exchange

- Israel would benefit, but making Israel more powerful is hardly in US interests in itself

- The rest of "The West" would be strongly opposed to the project, weakening the alliance between the US and its european partners, for very dubious benefits

Sayakai

I hope not all americans are as psychopthic as you are

VatanParast2

jstrong546

Are you Jewish? We the American people are sick and tired of useless and stupid wars being fought in the Middle East with no tangible gain to us. We got nothing out of Iraq and pretty much nothing out of Afghanistan after killing Bin Laden. The only country that would advocate for this is Israel - you guys can go fight Iran on your own. The United States needs to focus on the real threat here - China. Iran is a distraction.

UnsureOfAnything666

Fun-Bug5106

Zealousideal_Boot827

Bro, this isn't Risk. Why is conquering the world a good thing in your mind

spongue

amaru1572

The only reason you think the gains would be higher than the cost is you assign no value to the lives or quality of life to those 90M people. 

Troll post. Does this group have a limit on how many times a user can advocate for genocide before they are disallowed from making posts?

iguessjustdont

technocraticnihilist

searchableusername

You are failing to account for the opinions of Russia, China, The Gulf States, basically everyone else in the world including most of europe, etc. Sure if the USA wanted to go full scorched earth and destroy the Iranian regime and occupy it, that would be a hell of a power play. But even ignore the moral and ethnical side, this would be geopolitical suicide and make the USA a massive global pariah suprassing even Russia because the entire world including traditional western european allies would see this as a brazen return to colonialism which is a vile look for anyone let alone someone claiming to be the leader of the free world. Russia and China would not sit idly by. Make no mistake, this would become world war III and the US would be universally seen as the aggressor and have trouble convincing allies to join their cause, at best the EU might finger wave and stay neutral, at worst they could pivot to China viewing them as the more stable option over the rogue US.

So sure, a total domination of Iran would be ideal for Israel and the US, but if the US went balls out no holding back to achieve such a total military victory, it would be at the cost of turning the world against themselves and in the long run it would be an awful move. You cant just unilaterally destroy a nation like that, people dont tend to take kindly to it. The US is still living down what they did in Iraq, if they did something like that but even more brutal in Iran that would be the last straw for the international community especially right now when most people already dont think too highly of the US and its current actions. The US is powerful, but they cant fight China, Russia, and basically half the world all by themselves and win from across the globe while alienating all their allies except Israel; thats totally delusional.

WonderfulNerve4862

Seems like you are advocating for a non moral approach to this. Let's say you are using nukes in Iran. That will start a chain reaction of events,

1. Russia will nuke Ukraine and basically nukes would be allowed in warfare.
2. Suddenly there will be interested buyers who would want to buy from Pakistan and North Korea and you think they won't sell?
3. So gradually there will be proliferation of nukes and us will keep losing strategic military advantages. 

Now coming to politics, US would get sanctions from all over the world. The dollar will fail as the reserve currency. What do you think will happen if China sanctions USA and the whole world backs it? 80% of what you use is made in China. 
You say the population will be well fed, will they? With rampant inflation and losing dollar values? Even if they are fed, there will be protests and it will take US government one mistake of firing live rounds on protesters to tip it over the age. It will basically be the end of the Union in such a polarized political landscape. 

That's why Russia hasn't used nukes even after losing 100s thousand soldiers. Using nukes currently is a death sentence for that nation. (And probably the world)

So using nukes is kinda out of question, so how much you can do with conventional military? Will USA be able to sustain constant missile and drone attacks in their military bases in the Gulf region? Will USA be able to take out all nuclear compounds before Iran actually develops a nuke?

SummerAdventurous362

You jews need to fight your own battles. War with Iran is the last thing Americans need. But it’s exactly what Israel wants.

SeaPresence7911

You don't worry about nuclear retaliations by the Russians or the Chinese?

ishtar_the_move

The US cannot finance another war. Every single war they've been a part of over the past 2 decades has been a historic failure and hence I would hope they've learned a thing or two and would avoid them. A destabilized Middle East does not help them. They want to shift focus to the Far East but can't because they're too tied down to the Middle East and supporting their rabid ally, Israel. Attacking Iran is such a bad move politically, economically, never mind the moral implications. The people are mobilizing, uniting, and rising. And they will not accept more aggression that will hollow out American funds to support a war that does not benefit them and will result in massive death and destruction. Others have articulated much of the reasons very well.

Quantum2022A

This is the wrong way of doing things, starting wars for gains without any care about people that die is just foolish. On this logic when US will be attacked a lot of people will not just be like “oh I don’t care” but more like “oh, I’m so happy”.

Well, is not like it’s the first time when this is happening so seeing US doing this is not a surprise. Being an incompetent state that instead of taking care of your people you just “bully” another state to make profit it’s very characteristic. After all every time US mentioned the word “peace” it was such a blatant lie, those politicians do not care about people that starve, suffer and die even in their country.

Dependent-Skirt1936

Be careful there my friend, your post is starting to read very much like the American version of the Nazi dream. Defeat everyone and dominate through force and war. 

Geo politics and War are not like a game of Civ 6: Billions, and I mean  BILLIONS of people will die if you try to push this western hegemony dream of yours. 

Starting and escalating a World War will not be a victory worth anything. You and your children (and maybe your children's children) will be at war and losing whole cities even if victory was the inevitable end result.

TUKINDZ

US and Israel would be so bogged down in this confrontation that Russia and china would win more time to grow &amp; eventually it would be impossible to prevent a multipolar world . 

Israel would become the regional hegemon , but US has already lost leverage over Israel . Once Israel becomes more powerful , that leverage would be minimised further . It's highly unlikely that a war against Iran would benefit US or the west more than it LL cost them.

Unable-Assignment554

I mean i knew a lot of americans are animals and heartless at their core but this is a whole new level of veiled fascism.
Decimate independent countries? Make them dependent on the US? Subjogate those people under the rule of a genocidal state? Jesus Christ man at least be more subtle with your modern neo-nazism fantasies.

Inevitable-Ice-5061

This just shows the rest of the world that nukes are not optional and the only way to be safe from "the evil west".
Congratulations you stopped iran getting nukes for a few years and a few other countries just started their r&amp;d.

jermain31299

You’re making a big jump here that whatever this is will lead to a collapse of the regime in Iran.

This, if it even is anything notable, is likely an Israeli strike on Iranian nuclear facilities. This has happened before, and it didn’t lead to war, or collapse the regime, it merely set Iran back a decade or so in nuclear development.

But let’s say it did lead to the collapse of the regime in Iran. You’re likely looking at another Libya, with warring factions splintering the country, turning it into a breeding ground for ideologies just as bad as the revolutionary government. That wouldn’t be great, because right now Revolutionary Iran is what’s keeping the Sunni Arab countries tentatively in the U.S./Israeli alliance

Cornwallis400

Consistent-Plane7729

Lefties that don’t want whats good for the West would downvote you, but sounds pretty reasonable to me

IllustriousCaramel66

The Israeli government pays college students to defend them online guys leave this kid alone

baobabtree5

Imagine if the whole area would just disappear. THAT would be great news for everyone.

Mayatar

[BBC Live Coverage](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c93ydeqyq71t)

Isreal says they expect retaliation “soon” and are already preparing for said retaliation. 

As reported by the BBC, the strikes are allegedly on Iran’s nuclear sites in which Isreal claim Iran could make a  nuclear weapon “within days” with the amount of material they have. 

The Tehran International Airport has already closed and flights to Tel Aviv are being diverted. 

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio has released a statement saying 

 
&gt; “Tonight, Israel took unilateral action against Iran. We are not involved in strikes against Iran and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region. Israel advised us that they believe this action was necessary for its self-defense. President Trump and the Administration have taken all necessary steps to protect our forces and remain in close contact with our regional partners. Let me be clear: Iran should not target U.S. interests or personnel.”

The Israeli Defence Force has acknowledged the strikes on its English-language social media account on X, external.

&gt; It says that dozens of Israeli Air Force jets "completed the first stage" of the attack, which includes "strikes on dozens of military targets, including nuclear targets in different areas of Iran".

&gt; It says that weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Iran are an "existential threat" to Israel "and to the wider world".

&gt; "The State of Israel has no choice but to fulfil the obligation to act in defence of its citizens," it says.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has just released a statement on the strikes.

&gt; "Moments ago Israel launched Operation Rising Lion, a targeted military operation to roll back the Iranian threat to Israel's very survival. This operation will continue for as many days as it takes to remove the spread," he says.
"In recent months, Iran has taken steps that it has never taken before, steps to weaponise this enriched uranium," he adds.

&gt; "If not stopped, Iran could produce a nuclear weapon in a very short time. It could be a year. It could be within a few months, less than a year. This is a clear and present danger to Israel's very survival."

Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong said the country was

&gt; "alarmed by the escalation between Israel and Iran".

&gt; "This risks further destabilising a region that is already volatile," she said, calling on "all parties" to refrain from exacerbating tensions.

Israeli forces have just issued a warning to its residents, saying the country is facing "powerful and complex days".

&gt; "In this campaign, widespread warnings are expected," says the head of the Home Front Command Maj Gen Rafi Milo in a post on X, referring to the emergency alerts that are sent to residents.

&gt; People must seek shelter when emergency alerts are sent out, he says, which include military sites, protected spaces in educational institutions and public shelters.

An Israeli security source says "there is a growing likelihood" that senior Iranian nuclear scientists and military officials were killed in tonight's strikes, as per the BBC. 

Iranian state media is reporting that Israel had struck residential areas in Tehran and other cities.
Children were among those killed, Reuters reported Iran state TV as saying.

Iran's state television is reporting that the Revolutionary Guards headquarters in Tehran has been hit in the Israeli attacks.

Local media is also reporting fire and smoke coming out of the site.

The Islamic Revolutionary Guards is a branch of Iran's armed forces and one of the country's most powerful organisations.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel's attack has: 

&gt; “struck at the heart of Iran nuclear enrichment programme.”

Israel struck Iran's main enrichment facility in the Iranian city of Natanz, around 225km south of Tehran, Iran's capital, Netanyahu said.

Iran Revolutionary Guards chief Hossein Salami has been killed in an Israeli strike, Iranian state media is reporting.
He is among several senior leaders who have died in the attack.

Fereydoon Abbasi, the former head of head of the Atomic Energy Organization has also been killed, state media has reported.

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Brig Gen Effie Defrin says Iran launched "approximately 100 UAVs towards Israeli territory", which he says they are working to intercept

Defrin adds that the chief of staff of the Iranian army, the commander of Iran's Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC), and the commander of Iran's emergency command were killed in last night's strikes.

Iranian state media also reported earlier that Hossein Salami, the Revolutionary Guard chief, has been killed.

UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer has urged Iran and Israel to "step back and reduce tensions urgently", calling the strikes "concerning".

&gt; "Escalation serves no-one in the region," he says.

&gt; “Stability in the Middle East must be the priority and we are engaging partners to de-escalate. Now is the time for restraint, calm and a return to diplomacy.”

UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy echoes Starmer's call for restraint, saying further escalation "is a serious threat to peace and stability in the region".

&gt; “Stability in the Middle East is vital for global security. This is a dangerous moment and I urge all parties to show restraint.”

The Israeli Air Force (IAF) says it has destroyed "dozens" of radars and surface-to-air missile launchers as part of the attacks on Iran's air defence systems in the west of the country.

Calling it a "large-scale strike", the IAF says this forms part of ongoing operations to damage Iran's air defence systems and those of its proxies.

Iran has so far confirmed that at least six of its nuclear scientists were killed in Israeli attacks overnight.
The most prominent of those is Fereydoon Abbasi, a former head of the Atomic Energy Organisation of Iran.
Mohammad Mehdi Tehranchi, the second one identified, served as the president of the Islamic Azad University in Tehran.

Abdolhamid Minouchehr, Ahmad Reza Zolfaghari, and Amirhossein Feqhi were academics at Tehran’s Shahid Beheshti University.

The sixth victim has only been identified by their surname, Motallebizadeh.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei says Israel *"should anticipate a severe punishment"* following overnight strikes which targeted nuclear sites and killed several military commanders.

He says Israel has *"committed a crime in our dear country today"* and his military forces *"won’t let them go unpunished"*. He also added that 

&gt; *"With this crime, the Zionist regime has prepared for itself a bitter, painful fate, which it will definitely see."*

The global nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), later confirmed the Natanz facility had been hit, adding that it was informed by Iranian authorities that there had been no increase in radiation levels.

*Updates to this comment will be made as more information becomes available.*

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Iran has issued warnings to the US, UK, and France about targeting their military bases if they interfere with its missile and drone strikes against Israel, amid heightened hostilities linked to Iran's nuclear dispute. Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian has vowed a stronger response to any further Israeli aggression. Recent Israeli strikes have prompted Iran to retaliate with missile fire against Israeli targets, escalating tensions in the region. The potential for drawing foreign military involvement raises concerns about a broader conflict, with US and allied forces positioned throughout the area.

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